Customer: When will hormones come into play? Seller: They don't have to, for a few more bucks Originally Posted By: Charlie. Birdiemommy, the problem with humans is that we tend to abuse whatever privileges we have and as a result make it worse than if we did not have the privilege in the first place.
You mentiioned: So if there were a safe way to "fix" them in cases where the bird's hormones were raging out of control, then wouldn't that be a more humane solution for both the bird and the humans living with it? On 1st glance it would seem so. Now, can we guarantee that the bird will not suffer or in general the increased number of captive birds multiply by their supposed improved lives will now tbe better that the reduced number of captive birds due to some people not willing to get the birds if there is 'no way to fix the birds' multiply by their supposed worse lives?
I will give a comparison for easier understanding. The act of clipping a bird's wings has caused a great increase in the number of birds being sold. Now the 'nice' reason for clipping a bird's wing is so that the bird is safer and that it can get more out of cage time. I'm not even including the fact that we have now deprived them of flight ability after we have taken their freedom by putting them in cages. Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode.
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Not much. We have already butchered their wings so they can't fly and now we take away their reason for being. It's all about us at this point. If you believe that a bird's main reason for life is reproduction then the same must be true for every living being.
Joined: Dec Posts: 8, Janny Moderator. Joined: Apr Posts: 40 pharmher Member. Originally Posted By: BellaOctober1 Charlie has made it very clear that 'he' thinks cockatoo's main focus in life is reproduction.
I think every living being is focused at some point or points in their lives on reproduction. But it would be sad to think that is our only purpose. I would never have any procedure done on a bird that involved a lot of risk.
But not so many years ago it was very risky to anesthetize a bird while now it is pretty safe. So in the future there will likely be low risk procedures to spay or neuter a bird. Years ago, it didn't take me long after having a pet cat go into heat that we had her spayed even though I had not intended that at the start since she was an indoor cat.
The animal was absolutely miserable for months during the year and there are too many homeless cats and dogs already for me to let her reproduce.
We did the responsible thing and had her spayed. If I had a bird in the same situation, who was miserable for months out of the year and there was a safe procedure for the bird I would do the same. As soon as you bring a bird into your home, regardless of whether the bird came from a breeder, a rescue, or wherever, that bird is not going to lead a normal life like they would in the wild.
And since it is not our intention to breed them shouldn't it be our responsibility to do whatever we can to make them comfortable and happy? Here is the danger and the thing I violently oppose: Quote: Seller: Yes, these birds are very gentle. That's why we do a disservice to these animals sitting here discussing how easy it might become to "fix" them. And, there are a few definitions that need clarification, especially in regard to their use in young or long-lived animals.
Vasectomies and tubal ligations are not in this category. It is easy for humans to sit around in these conditions and say "This isn't so bad! Some begin as early as winter, some late in summer, and yet others breed and lay year-round.
Many factors affect egg laying, such as fitness, day length, food abundance and environmental temperature.
Can male birds lay eggs? There is no need for a male bird to be present for a female bird to produce an egg. Will budgies mate without a nest box? Your budgies do not need any materials, as they do not build nests, but the box should contain a tray in which the bird can lay her eggs. A great choice is a nesting box with an inbuilt screen, which can be opened from time to time so that you can check on the progress and ensure everything is in order.
How do I know if my bird is going to lay eggs? Watch your parakeets for signs of the female wanting to lay an egg. She will start to tear up the newspaper at the bottom of the cage to make a nest. She will also sit in the bottom of the cage for periods of time instead of sitting on the perches like she normally does. Observe the female parakeet in the cage. How many times a year do parakeets lay eggs? Egg-Laying Female parakeets lay their eggs relatively soon after mating.
Like many other types of birds, it's not uncommon for parakeets to lay one egg every other day until they have all been laid. Each clutch usually contains between four and eight eggs, although this can vary. How do birds lay eggs? Birds reproduce by internal fertilization, during which the egg is fertilized inside the female. Like reptiles, birds have cloaca, or a single exit and entrance for sperm, eggs, and waste.
The male brings his sperm to the female cloaca. Eggs are usually laid in a nest. As far as science is aware, birds are the only animals on Earth capable of learning to mimic human speech —and this alone is one of the reasons that birds make great pets. What other types of pets can ask you how your day was when you get home from work, or tell you they love you in appreciation as you are feeding them?
While not all birds can talk, the ones that do enjoy extraordinarily close relationships with their owners. Even though dogs and cats form close bonds with their people as well and communicate in their ways, many bird owners agree that nothing compares to being able to teach your pet how to talk to you. Anyone who lives in rental properties and has pets knows that finding a place to rent is often more difficult for those who own cats and dogs.
Sadly, many landlords and apartment communities place restrictions on the pets that their residents can keep, sometimes limiting them by size or breed. Even the rentals that do allow cats and dogs often charge large pet deposits if you want to keep an animal. But many times, birds do not count as pets under their guidelines. Most apartments consider birds and other caged animals as exempt from their pet fees because they tend to not do as much damage to an apartment as a cat or dog can.
This is something to consider unless you own your own home. Some dog breeds can grow very large, and cats need ample territory to roam and prowl to be happy. Birds, however, can be content in a relatively small area, as compared to other types of pets.
Certainly, it is a good thing to have the largest cage you possibly can for your feathered friend, but depending on how much space you have available, you might choose to adopt a small bird like a budgie or parrotlet.
And those types of birds do not need nearly the amount of space that a larger parrot would. Getting dogs and cats spayed and neutered is extremely important to their health and to help curb pet overpopulation.
With pet birds, however, no surgery is necessary to prevent unwanted breeding.
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